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	<title>Comments on: G20 &#8211; riots and democracy</title>
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		<title>By: Link Roundup - &#8216;Government is A Farce&#8217; Edition &#124; Sharpe's Opinion</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>Link Roundup - &#8216;Government is A Farce&#8217; Edition &#124; Sharpe's Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On Twitter, Fraser Speirs rightly said &#8220;this collapsing government makes the final days of Major&#8217;s government look like a golden age of morality past.&#8221; Iain Dale has been trying to hold back undeserved human sympathy for Jackie Smith &#8211; and asking when the last vote of No Confidence was (Come on David Cameron &#8211; the people want one!) Even Her Majesty The Queen wouldn&#8217;t stand up for the Prime Minister. Also, worth a re-link, Blue Eyes predicts a riot and is not happy about it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] On Twitter, Fraser Speirs rightly said &#8220;this collapsing government makes the final days of Major&#8217;s government look like a golden age of morality past.&#8221; Iain Dale has been trying to hold back undeserved human sympathy for Jackie Smith &#8211; and asking when the last vote of No Confidence was (Come on David Cameron &#8211; the people want one!) Even Her Majesty The Queen wouldn&#8217;t stand up for the Prime Minister. Also, worth a re-link, Blue Eyes predicts a riot and is not happy about it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3659</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say &quot;riots&quot;, don&#039;t you mean &quot;government sponsored march&quot;? (click my name for details).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say &#8220;riots&#8221;, don&#8217;t you mean &#8220;government sponsored march&#8221;? (click my name for details).</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3658</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I would have gnomes if I had a garden.  Not sure there would be a space for that on the application form though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I would have gnomes if I had a garden.  Not sure there would be a space for that on the application form though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3657</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard they now recruit garden gnome fetishists in the Met. Especially part-timers ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard they now recruit garden gnome fetishists in the Met. Especially part-timers <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3656</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I think that Nu Lab are running out of reasons to exist. They’ll take a chance on anything that will give them a few extra weeks.&lt;/I&gt;

Yes, but I can&#039;t bring myself to believe they would deliberately nuke London in order to do so.  I am confident that the police will deal with all this very well.  They have improved a lot since your day ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think that Nu Lab are running out of reasons to exist. They’ll take a chance on anything that will give them a few extra weeks.</i></p>
<p>Yes, but I can&#8217;t bring myself to believe they would deliberately nuke London in order to do so.  I am confident that the police will deal with all this very well.  They have improved a lot since your day <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3655</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to sound like I was in a spin about G20

I think that Nu Lab are running out of reasons to exist. They&#039;ll take a chance on anything that will give them a few extra weeks.

As it is I think the Police are savvy enough to lock-down and divide rioters.  I&#039;m more convinced that we&#039;ll be in trouble by another tactic - random attacks on banks and govt buildings throughout the land.

The way for ordinary people to go if they want to make an impact is tax strikes - illegal but peaceful and effective nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to sound like I was in a spin about G20</p>
<p>I think that Nu Lab are running out of reasons to exist. They&#8217;ll take a chance on anything that will give them a few extra weeks.</p>
<p>As it is I think the Police are savvy enough to lock-down and divide rioters.  I&#8217;m more convinced that we&#8217;ll be in trouble by another tactic &#8211; random attacks on banks and govt buildings throughout the land.</p>
<p>The way for ordinary people to go if they want to make an impact is tax strikes &#8211; illegal but peaceful and effective nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Hogday</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3654</link>
		<dc:creator>Hogday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intelligentsia with their own agendas have always manipulated/hi-jacked well intentioned demonstrators. I&#039;ve been in many a bad demo where a lot of largely innocent, well meaning and respectable participants ended up in a mad scramble and got lifted for `threatening behaviour` etc etc brought about primarily because they just happened to be there where `someone else kicked something off`. It is always about someone manipulating someone else, the police included. Its all part of the subversives rent-a-crowd game played by clever, cynical people. The right to demonstrate is fundamental but one has to acknowledge that this will include being manipulated in someone elses nastier agenda, simply by being there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intelligentsia with their own agendas have always manipulated/hi-jacked well intentioned demonstrators. I&#8217;ve been in many a bad demo where a lot of largely innocent, well meaning and respectable participants ended up in a mad scramble and got lifted for `threatening behaviour` etc etc brought about primarily because they just happened to be there where `someone else kicked something off`. It is always about someone manipulating someone else, the police included. Its all part of the subversives rent-a-crowd game played by clever, cynical people. The right to demonstrate is fundamental but one has to acknowledge that this will include being manipulated in someone elses nastier agenda, simply by being there.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you are making more sense Mr EK.  I don&#039;t disagree with a lot of that which is why so much of Labour&#039;s legislation must come off the books asap.  But then why do you of all people get yourself into a spin over the G20 leading directly to communism without even passing &quot;Go&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you are making more sense Mr EK.  I don&#8217;t disagree with a lot of that which is why so much of Labour&#8217;s legislation must come off the books asap.  But then why do you of all people get yourself into a spin over the G20 leading directly to communism without even passing &#8220;Go&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: electro-kevin</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/03/26/g20-riots-and-democracy/#comment-3652</link>
		<dc:creator>electro-kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intelligent ?  Mois ???

Whoever gave you that impression !

We miss each other&#039;s points here entirely. In answer to another blogger who is insistant that there is a man behind the curtain (Wizard of Oz) I suggested that he was looking at the conspiracy issue through the wrong end of the telescope.

There is no conspiracy (for one thing no-one&#039;s that clever to play such a long ball game) What we have is a meme.  Allow me to explain:

Ideologies were adopted by university students in the sixties. They thought they&#039;d dropped them once they&#039;d ventured into the real world of work and responsibility - unwittingly they&#039;ve carried these ideologies in their subconsciousness and they emerge reflexively in decision making now that they are in positions of power. A little bit like Manchurian Candidates.

The default mode of the ruling class is to revert to programmed instincts which are anti-British and anti-democratic. Many still have that image of Che impressed indelibly in their minds through a romantic haze of cheap wine and pot.

The meme (please google the true meaning of &#039;meme&#039;) has evolved into its own being - with its own mind and its own immune system. That immune system excludes those who don&#039;t support the meme fully by excluding those athiest (and even agnostic) to it by ruining careers. Only those that reinforce the meme get to the top. It is rather like the amorphous &#039;mind&#039; that controlls an ant colony.

This way the default mode of the current establishment is to revert to the common room. Every crisis, every failure they seize upon to reinforce the meme.  The meme is a negative one and thrives on failure. The meme hates autonomy, independance and free thought - this is manifest in every government policy over the last ten years. Such freedoms threaten the meme.

But there is nothing clever or organised about this - Victorianism was another meme. When I read books on our Empire I see that it was largely and small underlying ideology assisted by an awful lot of luck - and so new societies are created and not all of them good. This new one in Britain most certainly isn&#039;t.

That the Civil Contingencies Act exists at all attests to the oppressive tendancies of our Government. And I think they&#039;re arrogant and self-rightious enough to invoke it.

This is the way to the Gulags. Not through the the present incumbants,  I hasten (at heart I think they mean well) - but by the backlash that will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intelligent ?  Mois ???</p>
<p>Whoever gave you that impression !</p>
<p>We miss each other&#8217;s points here entirely. In answer to another blogger who is insistant that there is a man behind the curtain (Wizard of Oz) I suggested that he was looking at the conspiracy issue through the wrong end of the telescope.</p>
<p>There is no conspiracy (for one thing no-one&#8217;s that clever to play such a long ball game) What we have is a meme.  Allow me to explain:</p>
<p>Ideologies were adopted by university students in the sixties. They thought they&#8217;d dropped them once they&#8217;d ventured into the real world of work and responsibility &#8211; unwittingly they&#8217;ve carried these ideologies in their subconsciousness and they emerge reflexively in decision making now that they are in positions of power. A little bit like Manchurian Candidates.</p>
<p>The default mode of the ruling class is to revert to programmed instincts which are anti-British and anti-democratic. Many still have that image of Che impressed indelibly in their minds through a romantic haze of cheap wine and pot.</p>
<p>The meme (please google the true meaning of &#8216;meme&#8217;) has evolved into its own being &#8211; with its own mind and its own immune system. That immune system excludes those who don&#8217;t support the meme fully by excluding those athiest (and even agnostic) to it by ruining careers. Only those that reinforce the meme get to the top. It is rather like the amorphous &#8216;mind&#8217; that controlls an ant colony.</p>
<p>This way the default mode of the current establishment is to revert to the common room. Every crisis, every failure they seize upon to reinforce the meme.  The meme is a negative one and thrives on failure. The meme hates autonomy, independance and free thought &#8211; this is manifest in every government policy over the last ten years. Such freedoms threaten the meme.</p>
<p>But there is nothing clever or organised about this &#8211; Victorianism was another meme. When I read books on our Empire I see that it was largely and small underlying ideology assisted by an awful lot of luck &#8211; and so new societies are created and not all of them good. This new one in Britain most certainly isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That the Civil Contingencies Act exists at all attests to the oppressive tendancies of our Government. And I think they&#8217;re arrogant and self-rightious enough to invoke it.</p>
<p>This is the way to the Gulags. Not through the the present incumbants,  I hasten (at heart I think they mean well) &#8211; but by the backlash that will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was not my point at all EK.  I just don&#039;t buy all this tin hat bollocks about Labour just waiting for an excuse to abolish the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was not my point at all EK.  I just don&#8217;t buy all this tin hat bollocks about Labour just waiting for an excuse to abolish the country.</p>
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