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		<title>By: Ranter</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/06/05/labours-legacy/#comment-4357</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 05:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I simply don&#039;t understand Gordon Brown, I don&#039;t really understand what is going on.  I don&#039;t understand why there isn&#039;t some mechanism that can allow the monarch to call her PM for a quick chat along the lines of:

&#039;Gordon, mate, WTF are you doing.  No one likes you, you&#039;ve been voted out of local councils, the Europe vote is likely to be similar if not worse.  Why do you think making Mandelson your deputy is going to help.  He&#039;s a slimy git!  And as for Glenys Kinnock - how do you think the public are going to view that, her and Neil have made a fortune out of the European gravy train and now she too is going to the Lords...for what?  Are you ill?  Not taking the tablets?  Take the enormous hint mate, salvage some honour and ask me to dissolve Parliament and we can get a general election going.  The last thing this country needs is another unelected prime minister, it isn&#039;t democratic.  Now eff off and sort it you ghastly looking dead man walking&#039;
One can dream.  But I&#039;m with Stan big time on Cameron and the Tories.  Trouble is there really isn&#039;t any political party that can represent me, that doesn&#039;t genuinely want to return to SMALL government and will rescind the last 12 years of over zealous central control and take proper decisions for the well being, safety and prosperity of the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I simply don&#8217;t understand Gordon Brown, I don&#8217;t really understand what is going on.  I don&#8217;t understand why there isn&#8217;t some mechanism that can allow the monarch to call her PM for a quick chat along the lines of:</p>
<p>&#8216;Gordon, mate, WTF are you doing.  No one likes you, you&#8217;ve been voted out of local councils, the Europe vote is likely to be similar if not worse.  Why do you think making Mandelson your deputy is going to help.  He&#8217;s a slimy git!  And as for Glenys Kinnock &#8211; how do you think the public are going to view that, her and Neil have made a fortune out of the European gravy train and now she too is going to the Lords&#8230;for what?  Are you ill?  Not taking the tablets?  Take the enormous hint mate, salvage some honour and ask me to dissolve Parliament and we can get a general election going.  The last thing this country needs is another unelected prime minister, it isn&#8217;t democratic.  Now eff off and sort it you ghastly looking dead man walking&#8217;<br />
One can dream.  But I&#8217;m with Stan big time on Cameron and the Tories.  Trouble is there really isn&#8217;t any political party that can represent me, that doesn&#8217;t genuinely want to return to SMALL government and will rescind the last 12 years of over zealous central control and take proper decisions for the well being, safety and prosperity of the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Hogday</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/06/05/labours-legacy/#comment-4356</link>
		<dc:creator>Hogday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LoL @ Philipa&#039;s

I think I could hear the cabinet office from here;

Gordo: &quot;Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more....or close the wall up with our Labour dead.....&quot;

Chorus: &quot;After you, no no, after you...no hang on its not my turn...ouch stop pushing will you...&quot;

Fade to credits....None visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LoL @ Philipa&#8217;s</p>
<p>I think I could hear the cabinet office from here;</p>
<p>Gordo: &#8220;Once more unto the breach dear friends, once more&#8230;.or close the wall up with our Labour dead&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>Chorus: &#8220;After you, no no, after you&#8230;no hang on its not my turn&#8230;ouch stop pushing will you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Fade to credits&#8230;.None visible.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only things I can think of are:

*Homosexual marriages

Pretty much everything else I can think of is a restriction to our freedoms or loss of liberties. Then there&#039;s the famous fantastic chancellor Broon. Fantastic is right - think of the pensions scandal, selling off our gold reserves, Foot and Mouth, etc. etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only things I can think of are:</p>
<p>*Homosexual marriages</p>
<p>Pretty much everything else I can think of is a restriction to our freedoms or loss of liberties. Then there&#8217;s the famous fantastic chancellor Broon. Fantastic is right &#8211; think of the pensions scandal, selling off our gold reserves, Foot and Mouth, etc. etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bill quango mp</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill quango mp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this will be NuLabour’s cry; ‘None of it was our fault. The Tories started it!’

Will be? They have blaming it on the previous, previous Prime Minister since they started.
Stan is probably right that the Tories wouldn&#039;t have done anything any different.
But whatever thery did would have worked a little better and cost a lot less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this will be NuLabour’s cry; ‘None of it was our fault. The Tories started it!’</p>
<p>Will be? They have blaming it on the previous, previous Prime Minister since they started.<br />
Stan is probably right that the Tories wouldn&#8217;t have done anything any different.<br />
But whatever thery did would have worked a little better and cost a lot less.</p>
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		<title>By: dickiebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dickiebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this will be NuLabour&#039;s cry; &#039;None of it was our fault. The Tories started it!&#039;
Maybe we should give them another 12 years to sort out their &#039;inherited&#039; mess!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this will be NuLabour&#8217;s cry; &#8216;None of it was our fault. The Tories started it!&#8217;<br />
Maybe we should give them another 12 years to sort out their &#8216;inherited&#8217; mess!</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: NI - no Blair didn&#039;t start the process, but that is the point. A lot of the problesm we&#039;re dealing with today are the result of  processes that weren&#039;t started by this government but by Conservative governments. The problems we face today are not entirely down to Labour, but are the culmination of decades of progressivism pursued by both parties.

Take the economy for example. I have no doubt that we&#039;d be facing the same problems today if it had been a Tory government in charge. They have the same basic outlook on the economy as Labour and would have pursued, more or less, the same line. Nobody has policies in place to address the fundamental weakness of our economy - i.e. massive trade deficit, over-reliance on a service sector and the domination of that sector by a single industry (financial services) for export and the use of property based debt to maintain living standards.

Whatever measure of government you choose - crime, jobs, economy, health, education, whatever - there is nothing to suggest that any of them would have improved under a Tory regime. Nothing. On the contrary, seeing how each of those were clearly in decline (or, in the case of the economy and jobs) built on shifting sands under the previous Tory administration there is every reason to believe we&#039;d be in exactly the same place today under the Tories.

Labour don&#039;t have the answers to the problem, but neither do the Conservatives. You seem to place a lot of faith in Cameron&#039;s assertion for &quot;decentralisation&quot;, but this is misplaced in my opinion because the way it will work will not make local government more accountable or democratic but will place power in the hands of more appointed regional authorities over whom we have no say or control. I know that is what will happen because that is how the EU works - and that is the only way we can work while we remain in the EU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: NI &#8211; no Blair didn&#8217;t start the process, but that is the point. A lot of the problesm we&#8217;re dealing with today are the result of  processes that weren&#8217;t started by this government but by Conservative governments. The problems we face today are not entirely down to Labour, but are the culmination of decades of progressivism pursued by both parties.</p>
<p>Take the economy for example. I have no doubt that we&#8217;d be facing the same problems today if it had been a Tory government in charge. They have the same basic outlook on the economy as Labour and would have pursued, more or less, the same line. Nobody has policies in place to address the fundamental weakness of our economy &#8211; i.e. massive trade deficit, over-reliance on a service sector and the domination of that sector by a single industry (financial services) for export and the use of property based debt to maintain living standards.</p>
<p>Whatever measure of government you choose &#8211; crime, jobs, economy, health, education, whatever &#8211; there is nothing to suggest that any of them would have improved under a Tory regime. Nothing. On the contrary, seeing how each of those were clearly in decline (or, in the case of the economy and jobs) built on shifting sands under the previous Tory administration there is every reason to believe we&#8217;d be in exactly the same place today under the Tories.</p>
<p>Labour don&#8217;t have the answers to the problem, but neither do the Conservatives. You seem to place a lot of faith in Cameron&#8217;s assertion for &#8220;decentralisation&#8221;, but this is misplaced in my opinion because the way it will work will not make local government more accountable or democratic but will place power in the hands of more appointed regional authorities over whom we have no say or control. I know that is what will happen because that is how the EU works &#8211; and that is the only way we can work while we remain in the EU.</p>
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		<title>By: Hogday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hogday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: Agree re PaCE. I trained our Force when it first came in and I genuinely felt there was some good in there. But oh those codes, those constantly updated and amended and re-written codes and everything else bureaucratic and hamstringing that was flushed onto us in their wake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: Agree re PaCE. I trained our Force when it first came in and I genuinely felt there was some good in there. But oh those codes, those constantly updated and amended and re-written codes and everything else bureaucratic and hamstringing that was flushed onto us in their wake.</p>
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		<title>By: Hogday</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/06/05/labours-legacy/#comment-4350</link>
		<dc:creator>Hogday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basic rules when taking to the lifeboat:

1. There is no point whatsoever in starting the engine or hoisting the sail and setting course for land if the lifeboat has a bloody great leak.

2. Fix leak

3. Bale out water

4. Then set course

5. Nothing to plug leak?

6. Kiss arses goodbye</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basic rules when taking to the lifeboat:</p>
<p>1. There is no point whatsoever in starting the engine or hoisting the sail and setting course for land if the lifeboat has a bloody great leak.</p>
<p>2. Fix leak</p>
<p>3. Bale out water</p>
<p>4. Then set course</p>
<p>5. Nothing to plug leak?</p>
<p>6. Kiss arses goodbye</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/06/05/labours-legacy/#comment-4349</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan - I agree with the NI situation, Blair&#039;s government really did take the heat out of the situation and held it calm for long enough for people to stop hating each other.  But he didn&#039;t start the process, did he?  Let&#039;s give at least equal credit to John Major.  Irish friends of mine do.

I disagree about PACE, I think it is very important to have strict and public limits on police power.  The police aren&#039;t shit, it&#039;s the courts and the prison system which are shit.

Devolution would have been a great idea if it had been done properly.  Cameron seems to have a good idea on this, which he share with me: a comprehensive de-centralisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan &#8211; I agree with the NI situation, Blair&#8217;s government really did take the heat out of the situation and held it calm for long enough for people to stop hating each other.  But he didn&#8217;t start the process, did he?  Let&#8217;s give at least equal credit to John Major.  Irish friends of mine do.</p>
<p>I disagree about PACE, I think it is very important to have strict and public limits on police power.  The police aren&#8217;t shit, it&#8217;s the courts and the prison system which are shit.</p>
<p>Devolution would have been a great idea if it had been done properly.  Cameron seems to have a good idea on this, which he share with me: a comprehensive de-centralisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to Labour, a lot of the things you cite were happening under Conservative governments too - particularly the issues over respect for the police (and other once respected professions such as doctors, nurses and teachers). Some of them, such as the collapse of law and order, can even be traced back to Maggie&#039;s time with the introduction of PACE.

It&#039;s true that Labour&#039;s tenure over the last decade has failed to improve things, but then why would it? They subscribe to the same doctrine of social liberalism (progressivism) which is shared by the Tories. I doubt that 12 years of a Tory government will make much difference either.

One thing that Labour can point to - although it is contentious - is Northern Ireland which has seen relative peace and prosperity in recent times. To some, inculding me, that was a surrender to terrorism, but others see it as a major achievement by Labour. Same with devolution - which has undeniably weakened Britain - but to the Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh it is a considerable legacy.

I&#039;m not trying to make excuses for Labour - as a governing party they have been awful - but I don&#039;t believe it is fair to deny what others see as significant improvements for them. As a Briton I&#039;m pleased that people in other parts of the Kingdom have something tangible where they can say &quot;this is better&quot;, but as a proud Englishman I can not deny either that this has been at our expense.

England has borne the brunt of Labour&#039;s constitutional vandalism which may have been good for some parts of the Kingdom but, in my view, have severely weakened the Union. I hope with all my heart that the Union can be maintained as I believe that is the best thing for the nations of the Union as a whole, but I really can not see a future for it at the moment.

Worse still, under a Tory or Labour leadership all I can see is the eventual break up not only of the Union but of England as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to Labour, a lot of the things you cite were happening under Conservative governments too &#8211; particularly the issues over respect for the police (and other once respected professions such as doctors, nurses and teachers). Some of them, such as the collapse of law and order, can even be traced back to Maggie&#8217;s time with the introduction of PACE.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that Labour&#8217;s tenure over the last decade has failed to improve things, but then why would it? They subscribe to the same doctrine of social liberalism (progressivism) which is shared by the Tories. I doubt that 12 years of a Tory government will make much difference either.</p>
<p>One thing that Labour can point to &#8211; although it is contentious &#8211; is Northern Ireland which has seen relative peace and prosperity in recent times. To some, inculding me, that was a surrender to terrorism, but others see it as a major achievement by Labour. Same with devolution &#8211; which has undeniably weakened Britain &#8211; but to the Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh it is a considerable legacy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to make excuses for Labour &#8211; as a governing party they have been awful &#8211; but I don&#8217;t believe it is fair to deny what others see as significant improvements for them. As a Briton I&#8217;m pleased that people in other parts of the Kingdom have something tangible where they can say &#8220;this is better&#8221;, but as a proud Englishman I can not deny either that this has been at our expense.</p>
<p>England has borne the brunt of Labour&#8217;s constitutional vandalism which may have been good for some parts of the Kingdom but, in my view, have severely weakened the Union. I hope with all my heart that the Union can be maintained as I believe that is the best thing for the nations of the Union as a whole, but I really can not see a future for it at the moment.</p>
<p>Worse still, under a Tory or Labour leadership all I can see is the eventual break up not only of the Union but of England as well.</p>
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