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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4772</link>
		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;This does not mean I think Britons are the best people in the world – we have our share of arseholes just like everywhere else does...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

We do seem to elect a higher proportion of them to high office though (connecting this post up with BE&#039;s latest one)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;This does not mean I think Britons are the best people in the world – we have our share of arseholes just like everywhere else does&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>We do seem to elect a higher proportion of them to high office though (connecting this post up with BE&#8217;s latest one)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4765</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got your point, BE - but you also made another point - &quot;For some reason it is the people who have have fewest non-British people in their communities who are most worried about immigration&quot; and that infuriates me because it just is not true. It is a standard liberal progressive lie which I expect to hear from lazy people who just regurgitate things they hear because it suits their mindset. I didn&#039;t expect to hear it from you.

For what it&#039;s worth, I believe Britain is better than any other nation in the world - thanks mostly to its location (an island warmed by the gulf stream, free from significant earthquake or volcanic activity and with a pleasant - if somewhat damp - climate that does not suffer from the extremes of heat, cold or humidity that other parts of the world do. It&#039;s also fortunate to have a developed culture formed over centuries by tradition, history and shared experience which has also managed to avoid the extremes which have been prevalent in other parts of the world.

This does not mean I think Britons are the best people in the world - we have our share of arseholes just like everywhere else does - but it does mean we are amongst the luckiest. I don&#039;t care about skin colour - never have - but I do care about my country and I don&#039;t want to see it turned into the sort of despotic shithole that I&#039;ve had the dubious pleasure of visiting over the last 30 years or so by the crock of shit known as &quot;multiculturalism&quot;. I don&#039;t mind managed immigration - but anyone who comes in should be prepared to accept what we are and what we do or fuck off back to whereever they came from. THAT is the default position of most nations and the only sensible one for any nation which wants to remain as one nation to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got your point, BE &#8211; but you also made another point &#8211; &#8220;For some reason it is the people who have have fewest non-British people in their communities who are most worried about immigration&#8221; and that infuriates me because it just is not true. It is a standard liberal progressive lie which I expect to hear from lazy people who just regurgitate things they hear because it suits their mindset. I didn&#8217;t expect to hear it from you.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I believe Britain is better than any other nation in the world &#8211; thanks mostly to its location (an island warmed by the gulf stream, free from significant earthquake or volcanic activity and with a pleasant &#8211; if somewhat damp &#8211; climate that does not suffer from the extremes of heat, cold or humidity that other parts of the world do. It&#8217;s also fortunate to have a developed culture formed over centuries by tradition, history and shared experience which has also managed to avoid the extremes which have been prevalent in other parts of the world.</p>
<p>This does not mean I think Britons are the best people in the world &#8211; we have our share of arseholes just like everywhere else does &#8211; but it does mean we are amongst the luckiest. I don&#8217;t care about skin colour &#8211; never have &#8211; but I do care about my country and I don&#8217;t want to see it turned into the sort of despotic shithole that I&#8217;ve had the dubious pleasure of visiting over the last 30 years or so by the crock of shit known as &#8220;multiculturalism&#8221;. I don&#8217;t mind managed immigration &#8211; but anyone who comes in should be prepared to accept what we are and what we do or fuck off back to whereever they came from. THAT is the default position of most nations and the only sensible one for any nation which wants to remain as one nation to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4771</link>
		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I didn&#039;t think you were being bad tempered, I just missed your point at first. I thought of emmigrating to the States after visiting for a while. Because when I got home the UK seemed so aggresive. Only after living abroad for a bit did I notice the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I didn&#8217;t think you were being bad tempered, I just missed your point at first. I thought of emmigrating to the States after visiting for a while. Because when I got home the UK seemed so aggresive. Only after living abroad for a bit did I notice the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavlov's Cat</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4770</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavlov's Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blue said &lt;i&gt; &#039;That doesn’t make for a regular pint.&#039; &lt;/i&gt;

I have to agree with you, having travelled,worked and made friends around the globe, I now find that currently my best friends are scattered around the globe , Matt in Tokyo , Roxanne in Philly , Shaun in Singapore , that&#039;s not counting the diaspora in the UK, of which the closest to me is in Buckinghamshire, then Hitchin , Worcester, Bristol, Dundee.

I&#039;m happy for all of them , but it does make it hard to organise a quick pint on a Friday night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue said <i> &#8216;That doesn’t make for a regular pint.&#8217; </i></p>
<p>I have to agree with you, having travelled,worked and made friends around the globe, I now find that currently my best friends are scattered around the globe , Matt in Tokyo , Roxanne in Philly , Shaun in Singapore , that&#8217;s not counting the diaspora in the UK, of which the closest to me is in Buckinghamshire, then Hitchin , Worcester, Bristol, Dundee.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy for all of them , but it does make it hard to organise a quick pint on a Friday night.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4769</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan sorry to sound bad tempered but can you please read my reply to Philipa?  This post isn&#039;t about immigration it is about my friends who have emigrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan sorry to sound bad tempered but can you please read my reply to Philipa?  This post isn&#8217;t about immigration it is about my friends who have emigrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4768</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m concerned about immigration and I live in Slough - one of the places with the highest level of immigrant population in the country. To be honest, BE - I think you are wrong in what you say. I think you are basing that opinion on the understanding that it is mostly white enclaves that have voted BNP while areas with large numbers of immigrants tend to vote for parties which support high levels of immigration - but what would you expect? Areas with large numbers of immigrants are hardly likely to vote for anti-immigration parties - but that doesn&#039;t mean that those non-immigrants who remain in those areas are entirely happy with the situation.

On the flip side, the people who tend to favour multiculturalism tend to live lives which are largely unaffected by immigration because they have money. Money buys you the best houses in the best locations with the best schools - and to those people immigration means cheap servants and more choice of restaurant. For those of us who live in areas where immigrants are streaming in we have to worry about whether we can get a place in the school of our choice for our kids, whether they will be able to get decent jobs and whether they will be able to find homes in the place of their birth. Those are real concerns for millions of people living in areas being swamped by immigration - and not just by people with white skin.

The BNP are non-existent in Slough, but there is considerable anti-immigrant feeling - not least from established immigrant communities who are pretty fed up with the situation.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1812940.ece

&quot;&quot;A Sikh with a strong Indian accent lent credence to what that Polish woman said when he told me “there are too many immigrants in Slough”.&quot;

The pressures placed on those communities for housing, school places and jobs are immense - and they will cause tensions within a community which will lead to fractures and, eventually, conflict. London is unique because the need for cheap servant labour means that those pressures are somewhat alleviated - but outside of London things are very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m concerned about immigration and I live in Slough &#8211; one of the places with the highest level of immigrant population in the country. To be honest, BE &#8211; I think you are wrong in what you say. I think you are basing that opinion on the understanding that it is mostly white enclaves that have voted BNP while areas with large numbers of immigrants tend to vote for parties which support high levels of immigration &#8211; but what would you expect? Areas with large numbers of immigrants are hardly likely to vote for anti-immigration parties &#8211; but that doesn&#8217;t mean that those non-immigrants who remain in those areas are entirely happy with the situation.</p>
<p>On the flip side, the people who tend to favour multiculturalism tend to live lives which are largely unaffected by immigration because they have money. Money buys you the best houses in the best locations with the best schools &#8211; and to those people immigration means cheap servants and more choice of restaurant. For those of us who live in areas where immigrants are streaming in we have to worry about whether we can get a place in the school of our choice for our kids, whether they will be able to get decent jobs and whether they will be able to find homes in the place of their birth. Those are real concerns for millions of people living in areas being swamped by immigration &#8211; and not just by people with white skin.</p>
<p>The BNP are non-existent in Slough, but there is considerable anti-immigrant feeling &#8211; not least from established immigrant communities who are pretty fed up with the situation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1812940.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1812940.ece</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;A Sikh with a strong Indian accent lent credence to what that Polish woman said when he told me “there are too many immigrants in Slough”.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pressures placed on those communities for housing, school places and jobs are immense &#8211; and they will cause tensions within a community which will lead to fractures and, eventually, conflict. London is unique because the need for cheap servant labour means that those pressures are somewhat alleviated &#8211; but outside of London things are very different.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4767</link>
		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issues are all to do with where I am and if I were half a world away I would be as happy as a sand boy. I know this to be true. But as you say the process is long and I wouldn&#039;t know where to start?

It seems that a century ago we had the freedom to move more than we have now with the benefit of high speed transport and flushing toilets on board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issues are all to do with where I am and if I were half a world away I would be as happy as a sand boy. I know this to be true. But as you say the process is long and I wouldn&#8217;t know where to start?</p>
<p>It seems that a century ago we had the freedom to move more than we have now with the benefit of high speed transport and flushing toilets on board.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brentano</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4766</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Brentano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, and not just because it shows that the world doesn&#039;t come to your bedroom just because you&#039;ve got broadband [as I think some believe]. You&#039;ve also let travel teach you about yourself. Even Socrates had to travel to Delphi to learn the maxim; &#039;Know thyself&#039;. I&#039;ve met more than my fill of people who yak on about Guatemala/Tibet/Sudan/fill in as applicable and it seemed to have taught them less than a weekend in the pub with the Times Atlas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, and not just because it shows that the world doesn&#8217;t come to your bedroom just because you&#8217;ve got broadband [as I think some believe]. You&#8217;ve also let travel teach you about yourself. Even Socrates had to travel to Delphi to learn the maxim; &#8216;Know thyself&#8217;. I&#8217;ve met more than my fill of people who yak on about Guatemala/Tibet/Sudan/fill in as applicable and it seemed to have taught them less than a weekend in the pub with the Times Atlas.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Eyes</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4761</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had this grand plan to move to Australia and never come back.  But I found very quickly that a) it wouldn&#039;t be as easy as I hoped and b) my issues at the time had nothing to do with where I lived and everything to do with a deeper dissatisfaction with things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had this grand plan to move to Australia and never come back.  But I found very quickly that a) it wouldn&#8217;t be as easy as I hoped and b) my issues at the time had nothing to do with where I lived and everything to do with a deeper dissatisfaction with things.</p>
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		<title>By: Philipa</title>
		<link>http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2009/07/16/citizens-of-the-world/#comment-4762</link>
		<dc:creator>Philipa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Blue. I didn&#039;t know you&#039;d tried to emigrate. Can I ask to where and would you have kept your citizenship or is it all in the past?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Blue. I didn&#8217;t know you&#8217;d tried to emigrate. Can I ask to where and would you have kept your citizenship or is it all in the past?</p>
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