Comments on: Be careful who you screw, George http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/ Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:11:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Blue Eyes http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8241 Blue Eyes Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:12:26 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8241 Hmm, thing is I don't agree with Rand's idea that philanthropy and giving people a hand up is basically immoral. I just don't accept that I (and people in my position) should be hurt while helping. I don't agree that there should be no redistribution by universality. A post on this subject at some point, perhaps. Hmm, thing is I don’t agree with Rand’s idea that philanthropy and giving people a hand up is basically immoral. I just don’t accept that I (and people in my position) should be hurt while helping. I don’t agree that there should be no redistribution by universality. A post on this subject at some point, perhaps.

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By: The Fyrdman http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8237 The Fyrdman Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:14:08 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8237 Perhaps it's time we stopped funding this system? Those of us who are able to make money but are tired of seeing it go to moochers and looters should leave the well paying jobs that through both action and tax are of great help to society. Instead we should take up jobs under the tax threshold and supplement our income in alternative ways. That way we no longer fund and maintain the system we rightly despise. That way we live as free as we can. That way we withdraw our sanction; the sanction of the victim. Perhaps it's time to shrug. Perhaps it’s time we stopped funding this system? Those of us who are able to make money but are tired of seeing it go to moochers and looters should leave the well paying jobs that through both action and tax are of great help to society. Instead we should take up jobs under the tax threshold and supplement our income in alternative ways.

That way we no longer fund and maintain the system we rightly despise. That way we live as free as we can. That way we withdraw our sanction; the sanction of the victim.

Perhaps it’s time to shrug.

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By: Bill Quango MP http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8220 Bill Quango MP Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:11:19 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8220 <i>It’s never been possible to spend your way out of a debt crisis.</i> Well it used to be theoretically possible, but Professor Brown managed to convincingly prove the theory wrong once and for all. It’s never been possible to spend your way out of a debt crisis.
Well it used to be theoretically possible, but Professor Brown managed to convincingly prove the theory wrong once and for all.

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By: Stan http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8219 Stan Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:37:16 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8219 "Even the BBC News site is coming around to the idea that we cannot simply spend our way out of a debt crisis." It's never been possible to spend your way out of a debt crisis. It is possible to spend your way out of recession if other conditions are right and you spend the money on the right things (i.e. something that improves your national productivity and/or infrastructure long term) but not by simply employing more and more people doing unproductive work. That's how you create a debt crisis in the first place. Cuts are necessary in the short to medium term, but in the longer term what is needed for real sustainable growth is jobs - and lots and lots of them - in a productive sector. “Even the BBC News site is coming around to the idea that we cannot simply spend our way out of a debt crisis.”

It’s never been possible to spend your way out of a debt crisis. It is possible to spend your way out of recession if other conditions are right and you spend the money on the right things (i.e. something that improves your national productivity and/or infrastructure long term) but not by simply employing more and more people doing unproductive work. That’s how you create a debt crisis in the first place.

Cuts are necessary in the short to medium term, but in the longer term what is needed for real sustainable growth is jobs – and lots and lots of them – in a productive sector.

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By: StevenL http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8218 StevenL Wed, 09 Jun 2010 01:33:18 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8218 Most of them don't realise it's Christmaas though, that's the scary thing. Take a conversation I overheard today for example: Turkey 1 (40 something, one of these people who go around enforcing the smoking ban) Turkey 2 (almost 60, half asleep, can't wait to be pensioned off) Turkey 1: The thing is, if they cut £26 million, they'll just spend £27 million doing it, I mean you know what they're like, they'll just spend more than they save Turkey 2: (disinterested, just wishing turkey 1 would go away) Yeah, I know what you mean. Turkey 1: Well you saw that last reorganisation, I mean how much do you reckon that cost them, and to do what? There's no point in them even bothering trying to cut £26 million they'll probably just spend more money than that on these stupid consultations and away days again and it'll save nothing. Turkey 2: Well we'll just have to see I guess Me: Who's cutting £26 million then Turkey 1: The council are, blah blah blah Me: Nah, I reckon it'll be more like 20% over 3 years max Turkey 1: Well, if they go that far, that'll probably mean I won't get my regrading to senior officer! Great! Fantastic! (walks off in a huff) Their Chief Exec has been lying to them for the last couple of years telling them the cuts won't go further than 3% over 3 years! Even the Thatcherist guy I work with reckons that there'll only be about £15 billion taken off the whole UK's 2011 budget. I'd put my money on £35 billion at least. By the time they've finished striking they'll probably have been better off just taking a 20% pay cut! Most of them don’t realise it’s Christmaas though, that’s the scary thing. Take a conversation I overheard today for example:

Turkey 1 (40 something, one of these people who go around enforcing the smoking ban)
Turkey 2 (almost 60, half asleep, can’t wait to be pensioned off)

Turkey 1: The thing is, if they cut £26 million, they’ll just spend £27 million doing it, I mean you know what they’re like, they’ll just spend more than they save
Turkey 2: (disinterested, just wishing turkey 1 would go away) Yeah, I know what you mean.
Turkey 1: Well you saw that last reorganisation, I mean how much do you reckon that cost them, and to do what? There’s no point in them even bothering trying to cut £26 million they’ll probably just spend more money than that on these stupid consultations and away days again and it’ll save nothing.
Turkey 2: Well we’ll just have to see I guess
Me: Who’s cutting £26 million then
Turkey 1: The council are, blah blah blah
Me: Nah, I reckon it’ll be more like 20% over 3 years max
Turkey 1: Well, if they go that far, that’ll probably mean I won’t get my regrading to senior officer! Great! Fantastic! (walks off in a huff)

Their Chief Exec has been lying to them for the last couple of years telling them the cuts won’t go further than 3% over 3 years! Even the Thatcherist guy I work with reckons that there’ll only be about £15 billion taken off the whole UK’s 2011 budget. I’d put my money on £35 billion at least.

By the time they’ve finished striking they’ll probably have been better off just taking a 20% pay cut!

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By: measured http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8217 measured Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:23:00 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8217 Just arrived from P. Awww Didums. Happier now? Anyway, it isn't really the Conservatives fleecing you; you are in fact still paying the bill for Labour, who think you should pay for the privilege of having a job, Blue. I know , I know; you have to get up in the morning and it's not fair. Don't get started again. There are always those worse off ...well, better off - you know what I mean. :-) Just arrived from P.

Awww Didums. Happier now?

Anyway, it isn’t really the Conservatives fleecing you; you are in fact still paying the bill for Labour, who think you should pay for the privilege of having a job, Blue.

I know , I know; you have to get up in the morning and it’s not fair. Don’t get started again. There are always those worse off …well, better off – you know what I mean. :-)

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By: Redders http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8216 Redders Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:12:08 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8216 Damn!........I posted on the wrong thread! Great post, You ought to get along to the Libertarian Party web site, tailor made for you. Damn!……..I posted on the wrong thread!

Great post, You ought to get along to the Libertarian Party web site, tailor made for you.

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By: patently http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8214 patently Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:50:41 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8214 Should be a good laugh! Should be a good laugh!

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By: Blue Eyes http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8213 Blue Eyes Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:35:24 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8213 Fine, let each of them tell us why their role is vital to the functioning of the nation. Fine, let each of them tell us why their role is vital to the functioning of the nation.

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By: Blue Eyes http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/2010/06/08/be-careful-who-you-screw-george/#comment-8212 Blue Eyes Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:34:44 +0000 http://behindblueeyes.co.uk/?p=2470#comment-8212 “You’ll definitely be clobbered on the tax rises” I know, and that is what seems so unfair to me. I already pay more than my fair share and also “do the right thing” in terms of saving, not going out there and robbing people, etc. and yet it is me AGAIN who will pay for Brown’s reckless policies. Some of the recipients of his electoral bribery should have to pay it back. “You’ll definitely be clobbered on the tax rises”

I know, and that is what seems so unfair to me. I already pay more than my fair share and also “do the right thing” in terms of saving, not going out there and robbing people, etc. and yet it is me AGAIN who will pay for Brown’s reckless policies. Some of the recipients of his electoral bribery should have to pay it back.

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